From: owner-the-edge-digest@ (The Edge Digested) To: the-edge-digest@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: The Edge Digested V1 #93 Reply-To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Sender: owner-the-edge-digest@ Errors-To: owner-the-edge-digest@ Precedence: bulk The Edge Digested Monday, August 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 093 Today's subjects from The Edge: RE: [The Edge] Is the list dead? [The Edge] OTE Re: [The Edge] OTE Re: [The Edge] OTE Re: [The Edge] OTE Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: =5bThe Edge=5d (no subject)?= Re: [The Edge] OTE Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] OTE Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? [The Edge] Re: Vampire plots? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:04:11 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Uldry?=" Subject: RE: [The Edge] Is the list dead? > Eric's there, as well as the Atlas guys. For me the list's not dead. It's just that I am not very interested in OnTE. So I keep quiet :) Fu. Editor of a big and nasty homepage at: http://homepages.iprolink.ch/~avi/ Take a look and... [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:11:18 +0100 From: "Cloak" Subject: [The Edge] OTE Hi, I'm new to this list, I discovered OTE a couple of years ago and ran a few sessions. The game ended when my girlfriend left me and one of my players had a nervous breakdown. I'm assured none of these events are related to Over the Edge. Since then I've mostly been concentrating on In Nomine, but I have recently decided to return to Al Amarja, and so I've rushed down to my local store and bought both the OTE books they had, and ordered more (wish me luck). Anyway, this list seems very quiet so I thought I'd reply to a few messages from the digest on the web. Somebody asked about running OTE in other settings, and while I haven't personally, there is an interesting article in Pyramid 23 (It would be 23!) about running OTE in the steam punk world of Castle Falkenstein. Alas I have done little more than flick through the Falkenstein rule book but it seems an entertaining and workable idea. Secondly there was much discussion of whether a detailed history and background would stifle creativity or add to it. Now I must confess that I'm not much of a World of Darkness fan, but one thing I do like is the way that all of their sourcebooks contradict each other on small but significant points of detail. I think that history done this way, can greatly add to GM creativity, and seriously mess with players heads if done right. Nobody made much mention of the book of businesses for Al Amarja that Atlas Games mentioned. So for the record - I think this is an excellent idea. Lastly, as I mentioned I'm soon to restarting my game, and one of my players (who is not renowned for being a power gamer) wants to take the central trait: controls a world wide conspiracy. I'm inclined to let him. Any thoughts on this, what he could accomplish with it, and how not to let him dominate the game would be appreciated. "You want to start World War 3? Ok roll on your world wide conspiracy trait..." Sorry about the long rambling message. See you in Sad Mary's. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:01:22 -0300 From: Gregory Blake Subject: Re: [The Edge] OTE At 07:11 AM 8/10/98 +0100, Cloak wrote: [snip] > Lastly, as I mentioned I'm soon to restarting my game, and one of my >players (who is not renowned for being a power gamer) wants to take the >central trait: controls a world wide conspiracy. I'm inclined to let him. >Any thoughts on this, what he could accomplish with it, and how not to let >him dominate the game would be appreciated. "You want to start World War 3? >Ok roll on your world wide conspiracy trait..." Heh, I could have a LOT of fun with a trait like this. He controls a whole conspiracy? All by himself? That's got to be a LOT of work. Or maybe the conspiracy isn't as powerful as he thinks. Maybe the conspiracy is just the tool of some mover faction. If there is anyplace that his control could start to break down, it would be in Al Amarja. How big is it actually? 20 people all over the world? That still consitutes worldwide :). I'd play it carefully personally. Have him define exactly what this conspiracy is like. It may end up being a pretty wimpy conspiracy in the whole scheme of things. If it is too powerful, then you can work on limiting it. Either by not letting him do things, or by setting up baffles against it into your game. peace gregory - -- P Gregory Blake | "And the circle grows stronger..." P L Peace * Love * Unity * Respect L U email: gblake@mediaone.net | url: http://plur.ne.mediaone.net/ U R whodp://earth.activerse.com/gregory | ICQ# 1367921 R [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:05:42 -0700 From: "Jay J. Allen" Subject: Re: [The Edge] OTE At 07:11 AM 8/10/98 +0100, you wrote: Hey, I have an idea to offer. First of all, you can really take advantage of the wording of this trait. Absolutely let the player have this as a central trait. Tell said player he(she) has bennies, money, some technological resources etc. (all the usual trappings) at his(her) disposal. However, since the player hasn't bothered to name the conspiracy (or the others affiliated with it etc.), you have a free hand in building said conspiracy. So, now you can weave this conspiracy into your series plots and flesh it out as need be. Also, (and this is alot of fun when done right), perhaps the player just *believes* he(she) is in control of said conspiracy. Maybe this 'conspiracy' is really just an outer cell - just a small fragment or tool of a larger conspiracy. Most likely, those peskey movers have manipulated the player into believing he(she) is at the top - and they are controlling the player as well. So now, if the conspiracy was ever found out or infiltrated, any problems would stop at the player, thinking that this was the top of the conspiracy. This way, the movers can absolve themselves of involvment, and still get their schemes and agendas into play. This is a classic ploy, and makes for really nice gaming. Remember, movers this powerful would be very difficult to detect - so make sure you keep the secret really well - don't do anything to raise the players suspicion - just be sure to tailor things now and then so that his 'conspiracy' is acting upon the movers' whims. >... Lastly, as I mentioned I'm soon to restarting my game, and one of my >players (who is not renowned for being a power gamer) wants to take the >central trait: controls a world wide conspiracy. I'm inclined to let him. >Any thoughts on this, what he could accomplish with it, and how not to let >him dominate the game would be appreciated. "You want to start World War 3? >Ok roll on your world wide conspiracy trait..." > Sorry about the long rambling message. > See you in Sad Mary's. > > >[O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge >[0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of >[O] (un)subscribe the-edge > > // Jay J. Allen // jallen10@wvu.edu // icq# 14903596 [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:02:41 -0600 From: "Carl L. Congdon" Subject: Re: [The Edge] OTE Cloak wrote: > Lastly, as I mentioned I'm soon to restarting my game, and one of my > players (who is not renowned for being a power gamer) wants to take the > central trait: controls a world wide conspiracy. I'm inclined to let him. > Any thoughts on this, what he could accomplish with it, and how not to let > him dominate the game would be appreciated. "You want to start World War 3? > Ok roll on your world wide conspiracy trait..." > Sorry about the long rambling message. > See you in Sad Mary's. > Simple: Have his flaw be "Runs a world-wide conspiracy, downside." He'll be too busy putting down intrigues in his own conspiracy and jumping at shadows to bring too much of his power to bear. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:34:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Yanni Cooper wrote: > I haven't recieved anything from the list in quite a > while, has the list taken a dirtnap? heck no! a lot of us just fled to Gencon this past weekend. give us a moment to recover and we'll be back in fighting form. :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:35:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Lee Saborio wrote: > All right, one last time, anybody in the Ann Arbor area playing On The Edge? cant help you here... i'm in Milwaukee myself. > Also: > Condition > Play on one of your resources. Move resource into your conspiracy. The > resource gains power equal to the number of resources in play with the same > name. > (Pull also?) hmmm. this seems pretty confusing to me. not sure what you meant this to do... what can a resource do with power? it cant attack or anything. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:37:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Raymond Becker Jr. wrote: > Id venture to say Dr. Nusbum has managed to lock us all away to be used > latter as a subject in Monique,s next aging experiment. close... its sleep deprivation and stress testing actually. at Gencon. :) > not to mention since i cant find players nothing to talk about for me. not true! there is always edgework to do. want a game? maybe omni? send me a note in email... ever play an email game? its a gas... eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:43:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Adam T. Ness wrote: > Ah well, once I return to school, I'm going to pressure my group > there to start playing OTE. Any suggestions for a good plot to ease a > bunch of White Wolf Vampire players into the World of Al Amarja? hmmm. hunting vampires Al Amarja style? start off a campaign with everyone as young vampires in some other major city... Rome perhaps. after a few sessions of normal style play in that city using the Vampire background and OTE rules, have the group get into a crisis that demands they leave town fast... perhaps the local Justicar is unhappy with their escapades. over the course of this adventure, they should slowly become aware of Al Amarja... and when asking other vampires about it stony silence and nervous denials are all that they can find out. choosing to flee to the island, they begin to run afoul of the most difficult city on the planet for a Vampire... after all, with Fringe aggravated damage around every corner, every person throwing magic and psy, and even the lowlifes being from other planets, its a varitable landmine. dont forget to develop the Masquerade on Al Amarja. from a technical point of view, this offers you the chance to familiarize them with the rules of OTE and allows them a chance to aclimatize by using a familiar background and play setting. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:31:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, David Freier wrote: > Well part of the reason the list is so quiet is that GenCon began > yesterday and I imagine a number of the more vocal participants of this > list (eric and trevor) have gone to the land of Cheeseheads. indeed i did! and what a con it was. sadly, yet again this year, i did not get in any OTE... but i did plenty of OnTE. so if you are primarily an rpger, you can comfortably delete the rest of this. Gary Birch of Madison, WI is the new OnTE World Champion. congratulations to Gary... what was that? you wouldnt have done it without me? well, thats true. heh. Gary played an Astral/Cut-Up monster with more tricks than a city full of cloaks and conmen. Tulpa-ed Claus Brinker. Personnel Copier and Mrs. Brinker... Cheap Baboon Trick. Gary went 2 and 0 i believe in the constructed deck format. Gary faced Bill Weyenberg (who took second) with a Throckmorton deck and another gentleman whose name escapes me at the moment who played a D'Aubainne, Government deck. i sat next to them as the final was played, but instead of paying attention, i discussed life, the universe, and everything with ace tournament organizer, Jeff Tidball... so, i am afraid i cant give you much insight into how the cards fell. we had a total of 18 players for this event, much down from last year, but there were at least 2 brand new faces. for myself, i went 1/1 in constructed playing Control and 1/1 in sealed deck play. had i won my last sealed deck game, i would have made the final in place of the Government/D'Aubainne deck and virtually assured Gary the victory as Bill and I had very similar Unique cards... as everyone may or may not know, the tournament has you play 2 games of constructed format and 2 games in sealed deck format. the sealed deck format has you play with 1 Standard edition starter and 2 Standard edition boosters... if you open them and they are not to your liking, you may exchange them for a new set once. matching is done in groups of 3 using a Swiss style system. i myself ran a second OnTE event, very informal, on Saturday night. this event was the Rain Of Walrus II, a sort of booster draft format with some additions. we drew 9 people for this, including 2 people who had learned the game in the half an hour before the tournament. the event, while running very late, was a great success (if i do say so) and everyone had a lot of fun. the Rain of Walrus format has people draft from a set of boosters to start. this particular event had people start drafting from 6 Unlimited edition boosters and then every player got to pick 6 more from any of the sets. picking cards from a set, however, did not mean you would get more than 1 as the draft continued with the second 6 packs. after drafting we had a game and then an auction. The auction is simple; a card is put up for bid. the highest bid takes it. players pay their bid in card play cost. that is, Guglielmo Vignetto would be worth 4 as he costs 4 to play. whammies and 0cost cards are worth nothing, but as a special rule, the unplayable card Deadly Inspiration was worth 3. my hand picked set of rares went for as high as 40 or 50 often... making for an exciting auction. after the second game, Jason (damn! i can never remember his last name!) had 6 points and was the clear leader. as the hour was late, we called the event there and declared him the best. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 98 08:32 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: =5bThe Edge=5d (no subject)?= <> I'd be interested! And, yes, we're out here - we're just scattered all over the place. I'm just outside Chicago, and I STILL can't find players. Frank frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com p.s. Hmmm, maybe they're keeping us all spread out for a reason... [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:52:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] OTE On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Cloak wrote: > Lastly, as I mentioned I'm soon to restarting my game, and one of my > players (who is not renowned for being a power gamer) wants to take the > central trait: controls a world wide conspiracy. I'm inclined to let him. > Any thoughts on this, what he could accomplish with it, and how not to let > him dominate the game would be appreciated. "You want to start World War 3? > Ok roll on your world wide conspiracy trait..." i think you can make this work, but its going to be hell on you. take a cue from the Movers; just because you "run" the show doesnt mean you know whats going on. people you think are your subordinates turn out to be traitors or your boss (which is worse?)... and nothing is ever certain. gaining power gives you freedom, but it makes you a target. played right, this could be at best a double edged sword. the real question is; what does he expect this trait to do? if your example above is what he mentioned, then the answer is 100% "no way". if the person is just looking for a source of contacts or specialists, then go with it... and knife him in the back every other day. serves him right for playing the cloak. :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:08:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Clay Colwell Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Eric Jome wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Lee Saborio wrote: > > Also: > > Condition > > Play on one of your resources. Move resource into your conspiracy. The > > resource gains power equal to the number of resources in play with the same > > name. > > (Pull also?) > > hmmm. this seems pretty confusing to me. not sure what you meant this > to do... what can a resource do with power? it cant attack or anything. I think what the poster wanted was a Resource that would become Personified, gaining power as its breadth and influence spread. Giving it extra Pull would be insane, though, and highly un- balancing. (This Condition idea reminds me of Koanhead. I suspect that was the Deadly Inspiration (heh) behind it. Perhaps with a nasty limitation, it might work -- require the expenditure of X Pull, where X is the amount of Power it has, to uncrank the Personified Resource during the uncrank phase?) Anyway, it needs a name (Living Lands would be anathema for obvious reasons) -- Land Legs? Incarnation? Avatar? Whatever it might get, it *screams* for an Astral trait. ****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** eris@bga.com ****** * "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically * * mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." * * -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal * [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:09:55 -0600 From: "Timothy White" Subject: Re: [The Edge] OTE Eric Jome wrote: > the Movers; just because you "run" the show doesnt > mean you know whats going on. people you think are your subordinates > turn out to be traitors or your boss (which is worse?)... and nothing > is ever certain. gaining power gives you freedom, but it makes you > a target. played right, this could be at best a double edged sword. The other choice is simply to change the trait to 'controllED a worldwide conspiracy', and have fun with why he doesn't anymore. He might still have a lot of contacts and such, but someone took over... Tim [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:31:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Clay Colwell wrote: > I think what the poster wanted was a Resource that would become > Personified, gaining power as its breadth and influence spread. well, if Clay is right, then how about a slightly refined version; Marshal Forces, Condition, * Control Play on any Non-Unique Resource to turn that Resource into a Character. Cost equals the number of other Resources of the same type in play. The new Character is placed in any legal position in its controlling player's Conspiracy. The new Character is not Unique, has Power = number of other Resources of the same type in play, and retains its ability, if any. This is meant to be played on any of the "Friends" style resources and represents calling up your contacts in that sector into more active service ("call the boys and tell everyone to get down to Sad Mary's for the rumble"). i really like the idea. i think enforcing Uniqueness wont work for this person and it has lots of inherent limits... generally a good idea. :) the wording is a bit long, but so is something like Gnaoul or Ingrid Fjernsen, which have similar abilities. i dont want the new person to have pull as this is too easily abused, but it but it could retain its Non-Influence pull status. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:01:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Clay Colwell Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Eric Jome wrote: > Marshal Forces, Condition, * > Control > Play on any Non-Unique Resource to turn that Resource into a > Character. Cost equals the number of other Resources of the same > type in play. The new Character is placed in any legal position > in its controlling player's Conspiracy. The new Character is not > Unique, has Power = number of other Resources of the same type in > play, and retains its ability, if any. > > This is meant to be played on any of the "Friends" style resources > and represents calling up your contacts in that sector into more > active service ("call the boys and tell everyone to get down to > Sad Mary's for the rumble"). i really like the idea. i think > enforcing Uniqueness wont work for this person and it has lots > of inherent limits... generally a good idea. :) I still preferred to keep my limitation (spend X Pull to uncrank during uncrank phase): this would serve to mirror the actual mustering of forces Eric mentions, and it prevents someone from, say, playing 3 or 4 Marshal Forces when 6+ Resources of that type are out without a lengthy wait to use them. (Of course, Ideological Polarization becomes *deadly* then!) > the wording is a bit long, but so is something like Gnaoul or > Ingrid Fjernsen, which have similar abilities. i dont want the > new person to have pull as this is too easily abused, but it > but it could retain its Non-Influence pull status. BTW, I prefer your forces-mustering analogy to my "Barrio grows feet and steps on Veronica Sellers". :-) ****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** eris@bga.com ****** * "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically * * mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." * * -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal * [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:44:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Clay Colwell wrote: > I still preferred to keep my limitation (spend X Pull to > uncrank during uncrank phase): this would serve to mirror > the actual mustering of forces Eric mentions, and it prevents > someone from, say, playing 3 or 4 Marshal Forces when 6+ > Resources of that type are out without a lengthy wait to use > them. (Of course, Ideological Polarization becomes *deadly* then!) remember, the Resource you play Marshal Forces on is no longer a Resource. perhaps removing the non-Influence pull would help, but you wont get a benefit for having it in play. and the cost to play Marshal Forces is steep... it will basically take all the resources of the type that it is... so, you wont be calling very many in one turn (although Control could Marshal a lot of Duped & Narcotized Masses at once as it should be able to). this "crank all the resources to get the Marshal Forces" was meant to represent the calling up of the people involved. I think a limitation that it only has Power equal to a number of Resources of that type that you currently control might be appropriate. also note, the Marshalled Forces are not human... they have only the trait the resource had. > BTW, I prefer your forces-mustering analogy to my "Barrio grows > feet and steps on Veronica Sellers". :-) considering cards like Pythagorean Convulsion and Copyright Violation, this might actually work. :) at Gencon, we were discussing some other interesting Chaos cards ideas, such as a Condition that gives +1 Power when in combat with a card of a different basic color. also, a Condition which allowed you to pick a trait and get +1 Power when in combat with a card with that trait was also mentioned. we came up with quite a few overall... eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:59:37 -0500 From: "Paul J. Lareau" Subject: [The Edge] Re: Vampire plots? Mark Kinney wrote after a very interesting response to Adam T. Ness:: > I'm getting away from myself, though. Still, if they insist upon Vampire, > you can still win. Anyone want me to continue working this out? Yes, I'd like to see you keep this going in great detail. I'm looking at this thing from the OnTE standpoint. I came into OnTE from V:tES ... I still love the characters, but hate the game mechanics which I feel have been totally ruined by a combination of poor card editing by WOTC and overexuberance by "rules lawyers". At GENCON, I spent a few minutes talking to some of the fangy folk, and it reinforced my belief that the genres are not that far apart. I came home considering creating some personal decks of "VOTE" cards to playtest, now that we are positive that there will never be any additional cards to supplement OnTE. Mark's descriptions came really close to what I was thinking about and it might be a lot of fun to create conversion tables that would create playable OnTE cards from the V:tES cards. I'd love to see more concepts from everybody on how vampires and their friends would fit with our good friends in Al Amarja. If enough comes through, I'll consider doing a Vampires on the Edge page on the website. By the way, if you have a copy of Edgeworks #4, Alexander Williams had an article on this subject. Besides, John & Tanja are lonely, and I can just see the look on the face of the first thirsy Toreador who decides to sample Weegzon! - -- Paul J. Lareau - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [POST] 135 E. 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