From: owner-the-edge-digest@ (The Edge Digested) To: the-edge-digest@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: The Edge Digested V1 #92 Reply-To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Sender: owner-the-edge-digest@ Errors-To: owner-the-edge-digest@ Precedence: bulk The Edge Digested Sunday, August 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 092 Today's subjects from The Edge: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? [The Edge] (no subject) Vampire plots? (was Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? [The Edge] Vampire->OtE Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:17:25 -0400 From: Lee Saborio Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? All right, one last time, anybody in the Ann Arbor area playing On The Edge? Also: Condition Play on one of your resources. Move resource into your conspiracy. The resource gains power equal to the number of resources in play with the same name. (Pull also?) Bye-bye, Lee. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Adam T. Ness" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? nOn Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Yanni Cooper wrote: > I haven't recieved anything from the list in quite a > while, has the list taken a dirtnap? > It's still alive, but I for one haven't been thinking much about OTE since I"m stuck in a little town called Northfield, cut off from my normal Roleplaying Group. Ah well, once I return to school, I'm going to pressure my group there to start playing OTE. Any suggestions for a good plot to ease a bunch of White Wolf Vampire players into the World of Al Amarja? "So I say, 'Let me really play the buffon. I am not afraid of your opinion.'" - Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov Adam "Dostoyevski Kicks Ass." Ness ICQ #3665941 | Cam #9701-061 [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:38:55 -0400 From: "Raymond Becker Jr." Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Yanni Cooper wrote: > > I haven't recieved anything from the list in quite a > while, has the list taken a dirtnap? > > ===============Yanni Cooper=\ Chaos reigns within. > | Reflect, repent, and reboot. > The code was willing, | Order shall return. > It considered your request, | > But the chips were weak. \=aslum@rocketmail.com======== > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge > [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of > [O] (un)subscribe the-edge Id venture to say Dr. Nusbum has managed to lock us all away to be used latter as a subject in Monique,s next aging experiment. not to mention since i cant find players nothing to talk about for me. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:42:28 -0400 From: "Raymond Becker Jr." Subject: [The Edge] (no subject) hey is anyone interested in running a email game or something. I cant find any players in Bloomington In.Are you out there? [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Kinney Subject: Vampire plots? (was Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Adam T. Ness wrote: > Ah well, once I return to school, I'm going to pressure my group > there to start playing OTE. Any suggestions for a good plot to ease a > bunch of White Wolf Vampire players into the World of Al Amarja? > The real question is twofold: a) do you think you can break them out of Vampire completely? and b) do you like or dislike Vampire? If a=no and b=like, you might try running a Vampire game based in Al Amarja. This depends a great deal on the characters they create, unless you give them a premise to begin with; say, archons sent to the island to find out what the local situation is. Assuming you want to use the OTE system, you'd have to wing the conversions quite a bit. I'd probably allow the overall Clan as the primary trait, complete with its abilities and weakness (the flaw is still seperate), and a basic definition set for each discipline, or allowing many of the abilities within them, within reason. Secondaries would encompass improvements to disciplines (perhaps if you have the LARP rules you could go with their versions) as well as certain prominent skills. Blood drinking would almost be necessary to regain psychic points, though. The real shock would be that many of the natives are quite capable of handling themselves against something as lowly as the Kindred. Wait until one has a Pharaoh tell them to "stay here until I tell you to leave" in the middle of the Plaza of Arms, or runs into a certain individual from _Weather The Cuckoo Likes_... :-) Hangouts: Generally, it would fall like this, I think... Ventrue: Arms or Golden Barrio. Malkavian: D'Aubainne Asylum or Sylvan Pines, if not out wandering Four Points or Great Men. Tremere: Great Men, probably trying to make deals with Compton. Toreador: Flowers, maybe some in Science. Brujah: Great Men, Four Points, Flowers, and any older ones in Science. Lasombra: Arms, Golden, and a few in Justice. Nosferatu: Generally the catacombs and sewers, but probably a great deal in Science and terrorizing the Garbage Men over the Brink. Setite: Scylla and the waterfront generally, and Golden for the more "respectable" ones. Giovanni: *Definitely* dealing with Compton. Tzimisce could be anywhere. Ravnos would either congregate in Flowers or just avoid the island like the plague. Gangrel would roam all over the wilder parts of the island. I'm getting away from myself, though. Still, if they insist upon Vampire, you can still win. Anyone want me to continue working this out? alberich@iglou.com | Mark Kinney | http://www.iglou.com/nations "Now and then an innocent man is sent t' th' legislature." -- Frank McKinney Hubbard [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:53:04 -0400 From: Alexander Williams Subject: [The Edge] Vampire->OtE I found one of my treatments of vampires in the OtE mechanical system and it seemed appropriate, so ... === There are a number of questions involved with translating White Wolf characters into OVER THE EDGE mechanics; among the first to be considered is whether or not a faithful conversion is either desired or necessary. The Storyteller system goes into much needless detail regarding character capabilities as well as has a highly complex system of powers which are limited for each Clan to certain parameters. Under OTE, these restrictions become unnecessary, in fact, their relaxation can lead to intriguing individual powers that are more tightly tied to the Embrace of their possessor, in the case of Vampires, for example. For a stricter conversion of a Vampire to the OTE framework, a slight enhancement of the character creation rules should be invoked: you may buy more Side Traits by accepting more Flaws. This allows the character to take on additional burden to carry more powers. The facet of OTE that allows easy transition of Default Traits, in skills and abilities that anyone should be able to try, they default to having 2 dice. Let's look at creating a new Vampire under OTE: First, start by generating a typical person of the age: Alexandrvs was born in 1202 AD, in the Langue d'Oc area of France. However, he has adapted well to modern life, updating his experiences of being a Bard into a promising career as a guitarist in small clubs. He also retains a significant degree of `Old World charm,' picking up and holding a cadre of older, well-heeled woman who keep him well-supplied with housing and gifts. Over the years he's picked up a fair amount of adeptness with bare knuckle fighting as well. His mundane OTE Traits might be rendered as: Guitarist/Bard, 4 dice (Sign: the 12-string guitar he often has with him): As a guitarist, Alex is highly respected among the smaller clubs and venues. His compositions have been picked up by a few other groups, a fate he doesn't seem terribly upset about. `Kept Man' Charm, 3 dice (Sign: soft, melodious voice): Alex has made his way by entrancing older ladies to look out for him and occasionally give him gifts; he doesn't think of himself as a gigilo because he never trades for sex, but his smooth tongue has oiled some rather squeaky wheels. Bare Knuckle Fighting, 3 dice (Sign: quick motions): The years have taught Alex a few things about being on the road and making your own way; when it comes to the occasional barroom brawl or an inflamed husband, he knows when to connect and when to run. Flaw: Charming Women: Alex has a penalty die to resist helping or at least looking good to older women of the genteel upper classes. He's made his living so long off their appreciation he's loath to let that go, now. That covers the basic mundane facts of Alex's life, now we need to deal with his Embrace into vampiric society. Agood start is the addition of another, rather major Flaw: Vampire (no reflection in mirrors, damaged by the sun, all the rest of the standard package). Since its such a large package of Flaws, Alex is allowed to pick four dice of Traits to have as post-Embrace acquisitions, with no single Trait being larger than three dice. With these he should pick up Traits related to his Clan or Family, or additional skills he wishes to have learned. The ones he picks follow: Auspex, 2 dice (Sign: glowing green cat-like eyes when in use): Alex can, for the cost of one Blood, use his power of Auspex to determine things about a thing or person; this allows him to see auras, perceive in low-light, detect disguse, for various targets as decided by the other players or System Coordinator. Obscuration, 1 die (Sign: a tendency to blend into crowds): With the expenditure of one Blood, Alex can seem to fade into the woodwork, becoming less noticable in crowds or within shadows. Its not so much invisibility as a tendency to be overlooked, and as such doesn't affect cameras or electronic devices. Mind Murmur, 1 die, (Sign: a constant low chanting or whispering in the head when you get near him): Alex can burn one Blood to attempt to communicate directly mind to mind with someone, diverted only by distance or unfamilliarity with the target. The communication is one-way only and lasts only long enough to transmit a short phrase or sentence. The resulting roll determines the quality of the communication. Since Alex has spent all four dice, he can now consider adding more Flaws to get more. He decides on accepting one more Flaw not included in the basic Vampire package: Flaw: Animal Malaise: Animals near and around Alex will be drowsy, off their feed, laconic, almost drugged. Milk near where he stays for any real length will be sour or flavourless, cocks will fail to crow, etc. This also gives him a penalty die on and dealings with animals as they will be too drowsy to pay attention to his attempts. He uses the die so liberated to boost his Mind Murmur Trait to two dice. Alex is now mechanically complete, though he lacks several things that he would require for a truly complete character sheet. - -- Alexander Williams (thantos@mindspring.com) Sometimes you bleed just to know you're alive. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:52:46 -0400 From: "Raymond Becker Jr." Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Adam T. Ness wrote: > > nOn Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Yanni Cooper wrote: > > > I haven't recieved anything from the list in quite a > > while, has the list taken a dirtnap? > > > > It's still alive, but I for one haven't been thinking much about > OTE since I"m stuck in a little town called Northfield, cut off from my > normal Roleplaying Group. > Ah well, once I return to school, I'm going to pressure my group > there to start playing OTE. Any suggestions for a good plot to ease a > bunch of White Wolf Vampire players into the World of Al Amarja? > > "So I say, 'Let me really play the buffon. I am not afraid of your opinion.'" > - Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov > Adam "Dostoyevski Kicks Ass." Ness ICQ #3665941 | Cam #9701-061 > > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge > [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of > [O] (un)subscribe the-edge Send them in as hunters after a vampire wich is the least of there problems as they find out to late.the terms will be familar an so on hopefully you have played vampire or at least read the books it will help you use this trap on them.take vamps out and replace humans and the games are almost the same world so it sould be easy. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:08:07 -0400 (EDT) From: David Freier Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Well part of the reason the list is so quiet is that GenCon began yesterday and I imagine a number of the more vocal participants of this list (eric and trevor) have gone to the land of Cheeseheads. David "Throckmorton" Freier [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:39:26 -0700 From: "Jay J. Allen" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Hey, Well I can only speak for myself. But the main reason I'm quiet, is that most of the conversations here seem to be about OnTE, whereas I'm more interested in OTE presently, as I'm missing one important component for OnTE - other players nearby (heh). At 10:08 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Well part of the reason the list is so quiet is that GenCon began >yesterday and I imagine a number of the more vocal participants of this >list (eric and trevor) have gone to the land of Cheeseheads. > >David "Throckmorton" Freier > >[O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge >[0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of >[O] (un)subscribe the-edge > > // Jay J. Allen // jallen10@wvu.edu // icq# 14903596 [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:36:22 -0600 From: Trevor Stone Subject: Re: [The Edge] Is the list dead? Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, David Freier said: >Well part of the reason the list is so quiet is that GenCon began >yesterday and I imagine a number of the more vocal participants of this >list (eric and trevor) have gone to the land of Cheeseheads. > Eric's there, as well as the Atlas guys. This list always seems to peter out, then get rip-roaring when someone asks whether or not it's dead. Maybe the Hermetics have been experimenting with Phoenix magic, or maybe it's that Shadowfist element... =-=-=-= Trevor Stone =-=-= aka Flwyd =-=-= tstone @ robin . ml . org =-=-=-= Eclectic philosopher, New Vista computer admin, gamer, witster, esotericist http://robin.ml.org/~tstone/ Thou fawning fool-born bladder! I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ End of The Edge Digested V1 #92 ******************************* [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge-digest [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge-digest To get off digest, subscribe the-edge [O] To post a message, send it to the-edge@robin.ml.org