From: owner-the-edge-digest@ (The Edge Digested) To: the-edge-digest@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: The Edge Digested V1 #73 Reply-To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Sender: owner-the-edge-digest@ Errors-To: owner-the-edge-digest@ Precedence: bulk The Edge Digested Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 073 Today's subjects from The Edge: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5bThe Edge=5d First Aid for Dying Games x2?= Re: [The Edge] building themed decks... Re: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5bThe Edge=5d First Aid for Dying Game [The Edge] Go Frank! [The Edge] Great Fix, Part 1 [The Edge] OTE: alternate settings RE: [The Edge] OTE: alternate settings Re: [The Edge] "Death Dance" [The Edge]Applicable targets Re: [The Edge] OnTE--Where? [The Edge] Re: OtE alternate settings [The Edge] Re: OtE alternate settings Re: [The Edge]Applicable targets Re: [The Edge] "Death Dance" Re: [The Edge]Applicable targets [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: =5bThe Edge=5d Go Frank=21 And along came Hastur...?= Re: [The Edge] Illuminatus! Trilogy Re: [The Edge] Speaking of Terminal... [The Edge] [Deck] Kamikaze Artist Re: [The Edge] OnTE--Where? [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=5b2=5d: =5bThe Edge=5d Illuminatus=21 Trilogy?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jun 98 10:28 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5bThe Edge=5d First Aid for Dying Games x2?= Paul J. Lareau wrote: <> Actually I'm one of those people. I've got a great deal of interest in the game and was introduced to it last year with the Burger Box. I was very impressed and ran out and bought up as much as I could afford later on. I still pick up packs at game stores trying to get rid of them. I have not been able to convert anyone to play with, so I haven't played more than a game or two since then. When I read the entry, the first thing I thought was that it was for the "serious" or experienced player only. I wasn't going to attend, even though I normally don't mind looking stupid. But after reading all the posts recently and seeing how much you all love this game, I'm going to have to stop by and learn how to play with people who know what they're doing. I must say I'm really looking forward to it now. Thanks everyone! Frank Adams frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com p.s. Does anyone know if Atlas will be selling any OnTE cards and if so for how much? Any other give-aways? I've got a couple people I'm going to drag over and try to get them to learn how to play... [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David Thomas Fisher Subject: Re: [The Edge] building themed decks... pps anybody have any kergillian implants? Yes, I have one. I was at this Continuing Ed class, trying to learn about quantum mechanics, the wave nature of matter, and the teacher noticed the difficulty I was having with the material, and asked me to stay after class, and... What's that? Oh, never mind. :) - -- David Fisher (davefish@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu) "Seduced, shaggy Samson snored./ She scissored short. Sorely shorn,/ Soon shackled slave, Samson sighed,/ Silently scheming/ Sightlessly seeking/ Some savage, spectacular suicide." - Stanislaw Lem, "The Cyberiad" [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: David Freier Subject: Re: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5bThe Edge=5d First Aid for Dying Game Yes. John Nephew or Jeff posted to this list in the last few days that Atlas will have several cases avaialable for sale at their GenCon booth at their standard discount prices, which if I remember correctly is about $20 a box. David "Throckmorton" Freier PS Welcome to the Island of Al Amarja, dont get lost ;> > > Actually I'm one of those people. I've got a great deal of interest in the game > and was introduced to it last year with the Burger Box. I was very impressed and > ran out and bought up as much as I could afford later on. I still pick up packs > at game stores trying to get rid of them. I have not been able to convert anyone > to play with, so I haven't played more than a game or two since then. > > When I read the entry, the first thing I thought was that it was for the > "serious" or experienced player only. I wasn't going to attend, even though I > normally don't mind looking stupid. But after reading all the posts recently and > seeing how much you all love this game, I'm going to have to stop by and learn > how to play with people who know what they're doing. > > I must say I'm really looking forward to it now. Thanks everyone! > > Frank Adams > frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com > > p.s. Does anyone know if Atlas will be selling any OnTE cards and if so for how > much? Any other give-aways? I've got a couple people I'm going to drag over and > try to get them to learn how to play... > > > > > > > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge > [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of > [O] (un)subscribe the-edge > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:40:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: [The Edge] Go Frank! On 29 Jun 1998, FRANK M ADAMS wrote: > When I read the entry, the first thing I thought was that it was for the > "serious" or experienced player only. I wasn't going to attend, even though I > normally don't mind looking stupid. But after reading all the posts recently and > seeing how much you all love this game, I'm going to have to stop by and learn > how to play with people who know what they're doing. Frank, you da coolest! :) in all sincerity, i hope that Frank wins the tournament. i better see you there. :) and as to give-aways and such; i cant speak for atlas, but i will be running a booster draft tournament during the convention. i havent picked a time yet, but entry will be free, you keep the cards, and there will be a limited (but hopefully large) number of people who can participate. it will not run concurrent with the published event. more on this to come... eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:39:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: [The Edge] Great Fix, Part 1 The intent of the Great Fix is to improve design problems and broken cards in OnTE. Effectively, this is an unofficial errata sheet, created by me personally. I am very interested in feedback. - -------------- The fist and greatest design flaw in On The Edge is risk-free Influence. There are some simple classes of cards which provide risk-free Influence. Note that one primary area of nearly risk-free Influence is not covered in this first installment; flipping your own cards will give you one turn of invulnerability as the rules and cards now stand. One group is conditions which set a characters pull = 0. These should be changed to say the character may not crank for pull. Some examples of this group are Smear Campaign, The Skids, and Atavism: Ninja. Another is conditions which provide extra pull for a character. These should be changed to cause an influence loss equal to the pull bonus they provide if they are popped and the character they are on remains in play. A third type is any card which pops a character in any way which is not an attack. These cards should be amended to note that they cause an Influence loss as if the popped character had been attacked if they are used or played by a player on their own Conspiracy. You may, for example, use an Immunity to pop the Tulpa in an enemy Conspiracy without causing a loss of Influence, but if you use it against your own Tulpa, it is considered like an attack for Influence loss. Lastly, there is a class of cards which do not fall into the above types. These cards will be addressed individually in another installment of the Great Fix. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:47:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: [The Edge] OTE: alternate settings has anyone used the basic rules for OTE for alternate settings? personally, i have run a fantasy adventure game using OTE rules with some success (at least the players thougt it was ok). also, has anyone made a serious effort to portray Al Amarja at a significantly different time period (say, pre 1930, c. 1848, c. 1000, c. 2200)? eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:10:51 -0400 From: "Brandon Blackmoor" Subject: RE: [The Edge] OTE: alternate settings > From: owner-the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us > [mailto:owner-the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us]On Behalf Of Eric Jome > Sent: Monday, June 29, 1998 17:47 > To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us > Subject: [The Edge] OTE: alternate settings > > has anyone used the basic rules for OTE for alternate settings? Well, there's always Thundarr the Barabrian BBlackmoor [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:06:34 -0500 From: Peter Jansen Subject: Re: [The Edge] "Death Dance" Re: Death Dance - Well, other than the fact that Atavism: Ninja in combination with Kamikaze doesn't work ... To wit: Atavism: Ninja specifies "Target Human" and Kamikaze specifies that "Character's first trait is replaced with 'Nekros.' ... " Thus, when under the effect of Kamikaze, the character is Nekros, not Human, and therefore not Ninja. I used to use this one myself until I realized it doesn't work. :( Also, Evan ManDonald will just >*ruin*< your whole day. Pete Jansen At 10:53 AM 6/26/98 -0500, Eric Jome wrote: > >On 26 Jun 1998, Oliver Hertel wrote: > >> Er, nice to play? Much fun? Chance to win? ;) > >well, some people might consider Fringe or Pharaoh or Kergillian >the biggest ass whooper in OnTE. maybe someone out there thinks >you can go the distance with the Terminal... perhaps someone hears >victory in the Sommerites. but nothing can kick it in like Astral. > >following is the deck i used to help win the World Championships >last year. this thing never lost a game. this is certainly _not_ >for friendly play... it will hit the ground running and goes off >like an atom bomb! so, without further delay; Totentanz... > >Pullers (8) > 2 Monique D'Aubainne (A41) > 2 Bast > 2 Jersey Smith > 2 Anastasia Crowley (A40) >Attackers (4) > 2 Betty Frenum > 2 Mammon >Defenders (4) > 2 Abanobi Famani > 2 Donna Khalifah >Specials (4) > 2 Carcinogenia > 2 Ricardo Martinez >Extras (12) > 2 Kamikaze > 2 Terrors > 3 Negative Energy > 2 Flooding Nile > 2 Atavism: Ninja > 1 The Truth About Necromancy >Resources (8) > 8 Astral Wisdom > >Kamikaze Betty. Flood your own pullers. Ricardo Martinez. Negative >Energy Ninja. Kamikaze your own puller... Kamikaze Ninja. big pull >with bonus pull. Everything Astral. > >notice, no Gear and no Whammies. this was intentionally done to waste >some of the classic defense cards the enemy might employ; Gang A-Gley >or Reek Rend, frex. > >comments? :) and i am already aware that this is not nice, thanks. :) > > >eric > > >[O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge >[0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of >[O] (un)subscribe the-edge > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:31:32 +1200 From: Ivan Tuckwell Subject: [The Edge]Applicable targets This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDA3E0.19065490 Content-Type: text/plain While we are on the subject of overlooked interactions: A short while ago I saw a Glug deck posted which used Ricardo Martinez to uncrank a daggered glug. This doesn't work because glugs are immune:astral, and Ricardo is astral. I made a glug deck myself recently, and the glugs' immunities are rather two-edged. On the one hand they are unaffected by Ravage, Holly etc. But they can't be Tulpa'd, kamikaze'd etc. Also, my reading of the rules says that immunity extends to gear, (eg if you're immune to Fringe, you get no benefit from Fringe gear) so that glugs can't use Psi Guns, Hostility Channelers etc, although they are affected if they are on the receiving end. Ivan - -----Original Message----- From: Peter Jansen [mailto:pjansen@isd.net] Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 1998 16:07 To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: Re: [The Edge] "Death Dance" Re: Death Dance - Well, other than the fact that Atavism: Ninja in combination with Kamikaze doesn't work ... To wit: Atavism: Ninja specifies "Target Human" and Kamikaze specifies that "Character's first trait is replaced with 'Nekros.' ... " Thus, when under the effect of Kamikaze, the character is Nekros, not Human, and therefore not Ninja. I used to use this one myself until I realized it doesn't work. :( Also, Evan ManDonald will just >*ruin*< your whole day. Pete Jansen - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDA3E0.19065490 Content-Type: text/html [The Edge]Applicable targets

While we are on the subject of overlooked interactions:

A short while ago I saw a Glug deck posted which used
Ricardo Martinez to uncrank a daggered glug.  This doesn't
work because glugs are immune:astral, and Ricardo is astral.
I made a glug deck myself recently, and the glugs' immunities
are rather two-edged.  On the one hand they are unaffected by
Ravage, Holly etc. But they can't be Tulpa'd, kamikaze'd etc.
Also, my reading of the rules says that immunity extends to
gear, (eg if you're immune to Fringe, you get no benefit from
Fringe gear) so that glugs can't use Psi Guns, Hostility
Channelers etc, although they are affected if they are
on the receiving end.

Ivan

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Jansen [mailto:pjansen@isd.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 1998 16:07
To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us
Subject: Re: [The Edge] "Death Dance"


Re: Death Dance -

Well, other than the fact that Atavism: Ninja in combination with Kamikaze
doesn't work ...

To wit: Atavism: Ninja specifies "Target Human" and Kamikaze specifies that
"Character's first trait is replaced with 'Nekros.' ... "

Thus, when under the effect of Kamikaze, the character is Nekros, not
Human, and therefore not Ninja.

I used to use this one myself until I realized it doesn't work.  :(

Also, Evan ManDonald will just >*ruin*< your whole day.

Pete Jansen

- ------ =_NextPart_001_01BDA3E0.19065490-- [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 98 22:32:17 -0800 From: "Alex" Subject: Re: [The Edge] OnTE--Where? On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 2:37 PM, AGJeff@AOL.COM wrote: >>Where is the game still being played? I know about Minnesota; is it also < Subject: [The Edge] Re: OtE alternate settings I was thinking about the alternate setting and decided that I should explain what I did with my game. I decided to run agame where Al Amarja existed in todays world and the characters played out them selves. I introduced them to the conspiracys through Kergillian expansion into California. Some may recall my post about kergillians taking over the small town of pine flat well one of my friends lives there he was the only survivor in my role playing game. With the characters obvious knowledge of the game throught the card game they found that what they had learned in the card game was frighteningly accurate. So of to Minesota to investigate. Where they found out that Jonathan Newphew really stole the whole idea of the conspiracys from his exploits in Al Amarja. But it did not take long for the Kergillians to fine out what had happened and they were hitting prominent conspiracy members of many conspiracies. Well regardless to say the characters ended up finding out that retailer and distruputors intetionally sabotaged the game because they were controlled bye the Movers. Which did not want this information reaching the public. Well it was one of the more fun games I have ran the only problem being that not all the charters where balanced because several of them exibited great skill with swords, knifes, bow, and such weapons while others did not but that is life all in all I think it was a great campain that was unfortuately cut short when my players moved away but I think maybye someday I will run it again. The kergillian take over conspiracy rocks. Sincerely, Aaron Brown I am on to your little tricks Jeff tell the truth about Al Amarja. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:53:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Clay Colwell Subject: Re: [The Edge]Applicable targets On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Ivan Tuckwell wrote: > While we are on the subject of overlooked interactions: > > A short while ago I saw a Glug deck posted which used > Ricardo Martinez to uncrank a daggered glug. This doesn't > work because glugs are immune:astral, and Ricardo is astral. Ouch! I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. Break out the De-Individuator! (Looks like Isil Ziya should be added and an Astral Resource or two replaced with Oppenheimer Contacts.) Isil would also be a help, as she could take on the Glug trait for more Influence-via-Dagger.) Hmmmm...time for a theme deck where trait changes/additions/ subtractions are the rule? Lemme see where that might lead... (heavy on Psychic and Astral and Nekros, I bet). > I made a glug deck myself recently, and the glugs' immunities > are rather two-edged. On the one hand they are unaffected by > Ravage, Holly etc. But they can't be Tulpa'd, kamikaze'd etc. For me, the benefits have always outweighed the problems, except for Pythagorean Convulsion -- poor Glugs sit there with their lousy 2 or 3 AP while Zipper stomps on their heads. > Also, my reading of the rules says that immunity extends to > gear, (eg if you're immune to Fringe, you get no benefit from > Fringe gear) so that glugs can't use Psi Guns, Hostility > Channelers etc, although they are affected if they are > on the receiving end. Ah, but VibroBlasters are quite fine, and Negative Energies works fabulously (since the flip/pop detriments of its usage won't affect the Glug, and the -5 DP affects the *opponent* Character). ****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** eris@bga.com ****** * "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically * * mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." * * -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal * [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:39:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] "Death Dance" On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Peter Jansen wrote: > To wit: Atavism: Ninja specifies "Target Human" and Kamikaze specifies that > "Character's first trait is replaced with 'Nekros.' ... " well, that would certainly be true... if you put the Kamikaze on _After_ the Ninja, though, it works just fine. :) > Thus, when under the effect of Kamikaze, the character is Nekros, not > Human, and therefore not Ninja. remember, once a card is on, its on. if you have a human in play and play atavism:ninja, the condition holds. subsequently, play kamikaze and the person is no longer human, but the ninja still applies. this is in Surviving On The Edge and runs in the long held tradition of never having to remember anything but your Influence total. > Also, Evan ManDonald will just >*ruin*< your whole day. and you come sporting one in your average tournament deck? anyway, in the final, i face my friends anti-astral deck, including glugs, the Arcana astral pull stealer, and even Evan. i still won, although it was close. Betty Frenum is not astral. :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:44:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge]Applicable targets On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Ivan Tuckwell wrote: > Also, my reading of the rules says that immunity extends to > gear, (eg if you're immune to Fringe, you get no benefit from > Fringe gear) so that glugs can't use Psi Guns, Hostility > Channelers etc, although they are affected if they are > on the receiving end. glugs are not immune: fringe. glugs are only (?!) immune: astral, psychic, control. so break out those Weird Radiations and VibroBlasters. now, Psi Gun, for example, is not only fringe but psychic as well. and immune is immune, so i think you may be right on glugs shunning Psi Guns. and you are right about them not taking the business end of a Hostility Channeler, for example, because the channeler modifies the attacker, not the glug. :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 98 08:54 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: =5bThe Edge=5d Go Frank=21 And along came Hastur...?= Eric wrote: <> Thank you, and unless I get kidnapped or tainted by protomatter I'll be there with bells on. Looking forward to losing a couple games to you... <> Please keep us informed and I'll try to get into your tournament as well... And now for something completely different. I haven't been able to generate any interest in getting an OTE game going, but since I'm a huge Call of Cthulhu fan, I'm going to try to suck players in that way. I've always thought the two games could go hand in hand and with the awesome Delta Green supplement, it's just that much easier. I'm already getting the players into a DG campaign (they have no idea what they're playing - all they know is that it's a modern setting. I'm not even letting them see their character sheets.) and slowly but surely the investigations will lead to the island of Al Amarja. I'm re-reading my OTE book right now and am ordering a few products for more atmosphere and to get a better feel for the place (thanks to all of you with OTE web sites - some of them are just fantastic!). Have any of you mixed OTE and CoC? What were the results? Good, Bad, Ugly? Are there any pitfalls you encountered? What were they? Also has anyone read the Illuminatus Trilogy? I just bought the hardcover and was wondering how high I should put it on my "Must Read If I Ever Get Some Time" list. Is it any good? How close to OTE is it? Thanks in advance, Frank Adams frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com p.s. Where do the Kergillians (sp?) hail from? I'm just wondering if they might have encountered the space faring Mi-Go or some of the other CoC space races. I thought an ancient rivalry between the two would be very interesting. p.s.s. Do Kergillian's taste more like Lobster or Chicken? [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:11:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Illuminatus! Trilogy On 30 Jun 1998, FRANK M ADAMS wrote: > Also has anyone read the Illuminatus Trilogy? I just bought the > hardcover and was wondering how high I should put it on my "Must Read If > I Ever Get Some Time" list. Is it any good? How close to OTE is it? yeah, i have read it. there are bits and pieces that could make the transition, but it is not the strongest in terms of linear plot and re-usable characters. you should definitely read it as soon as possible. :) also, check out Umberto Eco's _Fouchault's Pendulum_. more Edgey than Illuminatus and easier to handle than Naked Lunch. :) > p.s. Where do the Kergillians (sp?) hail from? I'm just wondering if > they might have encountered the space faring Mi-Go or some of the other > CoC space races. I thought an ancient rivalry between the two would be > very interesting. yes... yes it would be. :) > p.s.s. Do Kergillian's taste more like Lobster or Chicken? before or after implantation? :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:45:01 -0400 From: "John M. Baker" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Speaking of Terminal... At 10:04 AM 6/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, John M. Baker wrote: > >> My main reasons for not using the >> C&I crew was because they're low on DP. > >the point in using them is that they are pullers who only cost 1. >then, you can call a real defender to block for them, not rely >on their own dp. > Hmm, maybe the real problem is that I'm low on blockers... I'll work on that. >> My plans were to use Great White with others' attacks. Maybe use Andromeda >> to sell Great White's services. Alonzo's in there because he can double as a >> blocker and he's Government. > >i understand how Great White works, but look at her this way; why would >you ever attack someone with Great White? because the character that >was just attacked was _not_ popped. if it were popped, then you wouldnt >need to attack it again. so, if you just attacked it and it wasnt popped, >what happened? well, either it escaped (ie. Total Taxi, etc.) or its >DP was too large. in the former, Great White is just a second attack, >but the second is an important use as well. if you have a character with >Surprise attack first, it cant be hurt... then 8 AP GW can walk in. :) > >> If I add the C&I crew. Otherwise, I've only got 3 Government characters. > >its for the generic pull, not for government pull. > Okay, you've sold me. Out go Great White, Alicia Andromeda, and the two Broken Wings. In go 3 Arms Barrio, the C&I crew, another hitter (Rixa Bekker?), and a couple more blockers. (I'll think about who they should be... John Baker [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:15:24 GMT From: robin@execulink.com (robin) Subject: [The Edge] [Deck] Kamikaze Artist With all the recent revival of interest in OnTE, I thought it was about time to start posting some of my decks. This is excerpted from my web site, The Theatre of Noise, so check it out! The deck is somewhat similar to Totentanz but was created prior to my hearing of it. - ----- Kamikaze Artist Astral powers are potentially the strongest of all. I designed this deck to put that theory to the test, utilising seven core Nekros characters and five of the best Comptons. It has proven to be a consistent tournament winner, despite the number of cards that potentially shut it down. The Comptons are a popular group, because there are very few unusable characters. Sir Arthur himself has a host of useful abilities, great stats, and is very easy to get into play, given that he has the traits Astral and Human. Once on the board your opponents will take notice, so expect him to be a target. Number Three is his perfect defender, J.S. Rocket his offensive arm, and Mantra a scary facilitator. But no-one sends a chill through the bones like Ravage, who can pop characters with impunity. Once Sir Arthur is in play, any of the other Comptons are within arm's reach, given his 4 pull to call them. 059 2x Sir Arthur Compton 169 2x Number Three 201 2x J.S. Rocket 147 2x Mantra 193 2x Ravage Nekros cards are underutilised, but once this deck hits your play group you'll be finding they garner a lot of respect. Leading the pack is Bast, whose large stats make her a formidable attacker or defender, even when you're not using her for pull. Her ability is a lot less useful than those of Sir Arthur, but she also attracts a lot less attention. Janis is one of the Arcana chase cards who is flexible enough to act like another J.S. Rocket or Number Three. Plus she's another cool Ferguson illustration. Mammon provides more offensive power while Stas is one of the best blockers in the game. Devourer appears at first to be a rather specialised little beastie, but there are hidden uses for him in this deck. Carcinogenia's ability to give an opponent -4 DP means that even the largest enemies are within range of your forces. Finally, the Arcana version of Monique is my favourite of her manifestations, having a very useful control power. A022 2x Bast X001 Janis A088 Mammon A044 Devourer A033 Carcinogenia A024 2x Stas Bendick A041 2x Monique D'Aubainne [Diabolical Politician] Betty Frenum, the Martial "Artist", gives this deck half its name. You get 1 influence every time she survives combat with an opponent. Hmm, wonder what we'll do with her? Abdullah is so useful he requires no commentary. Nicolas helps boost the pull aspect of the deck, and can act as a pinch blocker. Though expensive, Islam Petri is very versatile, able to pop any Astral, Fringe, or Psychic he can attack! D036 3x Betty Frenum 159 2x Abdullah Mustafa A055 Nicolas Flamel A113 Islam Petri Obviously this deck depends on Astral Wisdoms to pay for the bulk of the cards, only eleven of which are not Astral. Psychic Sensitivity and Art Scene make up the balance. The Theory Behind Astral Powers is often as useful for its special ability (crank to cancel an Astral's ability) as it is for the pull it provides. The Nekros Secret is very handy for bringing out the more expensive cards. One of these and three Astral Wisdoms is what it takes to get Monique's attention. A007 The Theory Behind Astral Powers A009 2x The Truth About Necromancy 028 7x Astral Wisdom 183 2x Psychic Sensitivity 061 Contacts in the Art Scene Here's the other half of the deck title. Kamikaze is an insane card that usually means the death of every character on the board. If brought into play correctly, on a character in your conspiracy that occupies their own row and column, all of your own characters can survive the onslaught of violence. The cost is steep for most decks, but not this one, being payable by any one of the secrets on their own. Play this condition on Betty Frenum and every enemy you pop means an influence point that cannot be taken from you. This nasty combination is playable more often than your opponents would like -- but the deck works fine even if you never make it happen. Negative Energy works equally well on a defender as on an offender, and is seen often enough that its presence here should be expected. Dead, Dead, Dead should be used against any opponents who appear fixated on the same characters. Or play it if your own Monique dies to prevent anyone else from converting her to their cause. The Spaulding Manuscript turns any Astral user into Ravage. Maybe Devourer would like to read it while hanging out in your last rank? If there are Astral resources for him to pop, let him go ahead and eat them. If there aren't such resources, then your opponents are unlikely to field an Astral character who can touch him. A075 3x Kamikaze 166 2x Negative Energy D025 Dead, Dead, Dead A137 Spaulding Manuscript The usual suspects. Shake 'Em Out is good for ridding yourself of unwanted Evan MacDonalds. Unfortunately it also purges Ravage and Carcinogenia from your ranks -- so give them Good Luck. On the bonus side you can sic Mantra on Yuzhou Chen so that she gets Shaken too. In this way your two most feared enemies are taken care of. 102 3x Gang A-Gley 265 2x Wheel of Fortune 039 Blackmail 105 2x Good Luck 192 Ransom D082 2x Shake 'Em Out 230 Status Quo Total cards: 59 +--------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | robin, co-ordinator | : W.S. Burroughs | +--------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | jupiter.execulink.com/~robin/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:15:20 GMT From: robin@execulink.com (robin) Subject: Re: [The Edge] OnTE--Where? >>From (former) Conspiracy cell distribution, the game's strong in and around DC >and Baltimore, Denver, and a portion of Ontario. These areas each had more >than one cell in them. Of course, there are other areas which had one cell, >which may have had between two and twelve regular players. As the co-ordinator for one of the cells in "a portion of Ontario" I thought I'd better speak up. On the Edge was played quite regularly here in London, with turnouts of between six and nine people. There was also a live-action OTE group. Recently a local store, L.A. Mood, has restocked on starters and boosters, selling for $5 and $1 respectively. Unfortunately, several members of the play group moved on. I found our cell collapsing just as the termination of the Conspiracy was announced. Since then we haven't managed another game. This has a lot more to do with members' schedules than lack of interest. If anyone visits London, give us a shout and we'll treat you to some fun! Also, visit L.A. Mood or check out their web site at www.lamood.on.ca. +--------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | robin, co-ordinator | : W.S. Burroughs | +--------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | jupiter.execulink.com/~robin/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 98 12:53 GMT From: FRANK M ADAMS Subject: [The Edge] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=5b2=5d: =5bThe Edge=5d Illuminatus=21 Trilogy?= <<> p.s.s. Do Kergillian's taste more like Lobster or Chicken? before or after implantation? :)>> Why...before, of course. Frank frank.m.adams@slchicago.infonet.com "A man approached me on the street and said he hadn't had a bite in 3 days... so I shot him in the face and took his shoes. No one missed him." 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