From: owner-the-edge-digest@ (The Edge Digested) To: the-edge-digest@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: The Edge Digested V1 #20 Reply-To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Sender: owner-the-edge-digest@ Errors-To: owner-the-edge-digest@ Precedence: bulk The Edge Digested Saturday, January 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 020 Today's subjects from The Edge: [The Edge] Throckmorton Re: [The Edge] Throckmorton Re: [The Edge] Throckmorton [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:44:09 -0600 (CST) From: David Ebrey Subject: [The Edge] Throckmorton In the main book under major plots on page 220 it says, The Throckmorton Device or The Will to Power This phrase -- The Will to Power -- is found in Nietzsche. The way I understand Nietzsche's use of this phrase, it refers to one's capacity to exert oneself. The Nazi's used altered versions of Nietzsche's texts to make Nietzsche seem like he supported a German Nation-State; however, Nietzsche supported exerting oneself as a way of exerting who you are -- whoever you are. It is sort of a way of exerting one's individuality. So I find it strange that the Throckmorton Device would be subtitled "The Will to Power," since it is a force of conformity. Does some author other than Nietzsche use this phrase, The Will to Power? Did the Nazis use it a lot, and that is what this is referring to? Or did Tweet and Laws simply have a different interpretation of Nietzsche than myself? Any ideas? David - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So you think of Modern Horror and then you think of Stephen King and then you think bacon in the place of ice cream and then you think no -- Christina Bottoms [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:32:07 -0500 From: "Robin D. Laws" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Throckmorton At 10:44 AM 1/9/98 -0600, David Ebrey wrote: > Or did Tweet and Laws simply have a >different interpretation of Nietzsche than myself? Any ideas? Throckmorton is Jonathan's work. I don't think I have an interpretation of Nietzsche. Take care >>> Robin [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Flores Subject: Re: [The Edge] Throckmorton On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, David Ebrey wrote: > In the main book under major plots on page 220 it says, > > The Throckmorton Device > or The Will to Power > > This phrase -- The Will to Power -- is found in Nietzsche. The way I > understand Nietzsche's use of this phrase, it refers to one's capacity to > exert oneself. The Nazi's used altered versions of Nietzsche's texts to > make Nietzsche seem like he supported a German Nation-State; however, > Nietzsche supported exerting oneself as a way of exerting who you are -- > whoever you are. It is sort of a way of exerting one's individuality. So I > find it strange that the Throckmorton Device would be subtitled "The Will to > Power," since it is a force of conformity. Does some author other than > Nietzsche use this phrase, The Will to Power? Did the Nazis use it a lot, > and that is what this is referring to? Or did Tweet and Laws simply have a > different interpretation of Nietzsche than myself? Any ideas? Maybe it refers to Clyde's Will to Power (or the Device's). - -Philip Flores philipf@acbc.com [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:30:07 +0000 From: Perry Lyons Subject: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Ok, We all know Monique is Constance, Cheryl and Jean-Christophe's mother, but who the heck is their father? The good Doctor Nusbaum? a time travleing Clyde Throckmorton?. Something FAR more sinister? Perry Lyons [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:32:36 -0500 From: Rich Collins Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! I've always thought it would be something along the lines of a later day heinlein plot ala 'time enough for love'. Future monique has a sex change and comes back in time to impregnate herself w/ offspring. - -rich At 09:30 PM 1/9/98 +0000, you wrote: >Ok, We all know Monique is Constance, Cheryl and Jean-Christophe's >mother, but who the heck is their father? The good Doctor Nusbaum? a >time travleing Clyde Throckmorton?. Something FAR more sinister? >Perry Lyons > >[O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge >[0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of >[O] (un)subscribe the-edge > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:12:08 +0000 From: Perry Lyons Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Rich Collins wrote: > > I've always thought it would be something along the lines of a later day > heinlein plot ala 'time enough for love'. Future monique has a sex change > and comes back in time to impregnate herself w/ offspring. > > -rich I will not even BEGIN to describe how much this idea disturbs me.....but i dunno, wouldn't that be inbreeding of the highest degree? could explain Jc, but...otherwise that just seems....odd. Funny scary thought....What if they were EXTREMELY powerful tulpas, or something similar... Perry [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:53:13 -0700 From: tstone@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Perry Lyons said: >> I've always thought it would be something along the lines of a later day >> heinlein plot ala 'time enough for love'. Future monique has a sex change >> and comes back in time to impregnate herself w/ offspring. >> >> -rich > >I will not even BEGIN to describe how much this idea disturbs me.....but >i dunno, wouldn't that be inbreeding of the highest degree? could >explain Jc, but...otherwise that just seems....odd. Funny scary >thought....What if they were EXTREMELY powerful tulpas, or something >similar... So maybe JC used the Throckmorton device... Or maybe it was an Itallian connection, she got divorced and freed Al Amarja from her ex... _-=-=-_-=-=-_ Trevor Stone _-=-=-=-_ tstone @ robin . ml . org _-=-=-_-=-=-_ Eclectic philosopher, New Vista computer admin, gamer, witster, utilitarian. http://robin.ml.org/~tstone/ Thou fitful lily-livered foot-licker! This signature is consistently random. Order through chaos. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Kronengold Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Perry Lyons writes: >Rich Collins wrote: >> >> Future monique has a sex change and comes back in time to >>impregnate herself w/ offspring. >I will not even BEGIN to describe how much this idea disturbs me.....but Actually, in CthulhuPunk (the long-running campaign serialized in A&E, not the supplement from Gurps), a PC went back in time, got amnesia, married, had a child, and became her own grandmother (how does this relate to O(N)TE? Well, the character did first show up fleeing from this island called Bioko, which just happened to have an upside down pyramid Terminal, the laboratory of Dr. Nusbaum, the Peace, Jean Claude, and all the rest, even if THIS version was really controlled by the leader of a large corporation who wanted to perform experiments using the Outer Gods (and was later ousted by a coalition of powerful PCs and NPCs, but that's another story)). >thought....What if they were EXTREMELY powerful tulpas, or something >similar... I don't think I like -- Monique treats these people as her kids, and she knows what a Tulpa is, so they'd pretty-much die if they were and she knew. She had some kids at one point (though a Tulpa Cheryl would be nice as an alternate OnTE card), methinks. On the other hand, people are thinking small if they believe that all the kids have the same alternate parent; there's no reason to believe that. Perhaps JC was the son of the Pope (Monique has a Very wild youth before she took over the island), Constance the daughter of a Pharoh, and Cheryl's dad is, say, Clyde Throckmorton through the Time Loop. - -- mneme@dorsai.org Joshua Kronengold |\ _,,,--,,_ ,) - ---^---- "What part of 'Pthhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr' /,`.-'`' -, ;-;;' /\\ didn't you understand?" -- Me |,4- ) )-,_ ) /\ - -/-\\\-- AKA mneme at mcny.com '---''(_/--' (_/-' [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:14:11 -0500 (EST) From: Spike Y Jones Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! > Ok, We all know Monique is Constance, Cheryl and Jean-Christophe's > mother, but who the heck is their father? The good Doctor Nusbaum? a > time travleing Clyde Throckmorton?. Something FAR more sinister? > Perry Lyons I'm not sure who the father(s) is, but I don't think it's this "Perry Lyons", whoever he is. I mean, a figure this important wouldn't have been able to stay so effectively in the background for so long that he's not even mentioned in the game books. :-) [O] [O] [O] Spike Y Jones [O]Spike[O] Freelance writer, editor, proofreader, and ex-bingo-caller [O] [O] [O] spikeyj@access.digex.net http://www.io.com/~spikeyj/ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:41:33 +0000 From: Perry Lyons Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Spike Y Jones wrote: > > > Ok, We all know Monique is Constance, Cheryl and Jean-Christophe's > > mother, but who the heck is their father? The good Doctor Nusbaum? a > > time travleing Clyde Throckmorton?. Something FAR more sinister? > > Perry Lyons > > I'm not sure who the father(s) is, but I don't think it's this "Perry Lyons", > whoever he is. I mean, a figure this important wouldn't have been able to stay > so effectively in the background for so long that he's not even mentioned in > the game books. :-) Damn, my cover's blown. Do you know how much child support she got in the settlement!? It's going to take at LEAST 10 one penny investments to pull this one off. ((One penny invest involves time travel and intrest rates, used to pay ones bill at Millyways, and child support to Monique D'Aubainne)) Perry Lyons, wondering where he went wrong as a father [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:44:42 +0000 From: Perry Lyons Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! Joshua Kronengold wrote: > On the other hand, people are thinking small if they believe > that all the kids have the same alternate parent; there's no reason to > believe that. Perhaps JC was the son of the Pope (Monique has a Very > wild youth before she took over the island), Constance the daughter of > a Pharoh, and Cheryl's dad is, say, Clyde Throckmorton through the > Time Loop. Hrm, Constance seems more like Clyde's kid, but a pharo could work...Cheryl seems right up there with the pope, but another idea that's kinda creepy is what if Cheryl is the kid of the man upstairs, the big G, God himself... and JC...well he's the weirdo, I wonder if Monique ever Met Tristan Tzara.... Perry, now denying any and all involvement with the whole "I am your father, Constance!" bit [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:38:59 -0600 From: "Peter Jansen" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Everyone's FAVORITE family, the D'Aubainne's! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1DFF.65893A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ok, We all know Monique is Constance, Cheryl and Jean-Christophe's > mother, but who the heck is their father? The good Doctor Nusbaum? a > time travleing Clyde Throckmorton?. Something FAR more sinister? > Perry Lyons How about this: The good Doctor, but only in the metaphysical sense. That is, Constance, Cheryl, and Jean-Christophe are clones of Monique and carried by her. Yes, all three of them. Synthesis of a "Y" chromosome was beyond even the good doctor's genius (at the time) so he spliced in his own. As for why the kids are so weird, please note Monique's own varied natures. Note also this serves as a handy excuse for why the SACQ has no effect on good old Furchtegott, as the neurotoxin is unable to affect his genetic makeup as well. ( or something like that ... aside from the fact that he created it, of course ... ) Pete J - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1DFF.65893A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Ok, We all know Monique is = Constance, Cheryl and Jean-Christophe's
> mother, but who the heck = is their father? The good Doctor Nusbaum? a
> time travleing Clyde = Throckmorton?. Something FAR more sinister?
> Perry = Lyons

How about this:

The good Doctor, but only in the = metaphysical sense.  That is, Constance, Cheryl, and = Jean-Christophe are clones of Monique and carried by her.  Yes, all = three of them.  Synthesis of a "Y" chromosome was beyond = even the good doctor's genius (at the time) so he spliced in his own. =  As for why the kids are so weird, please note Monique's own varied = natures.  Note also this serves as a handy excuse for why the SACQ = has no effect on good old Furchtegott, as the neurotoxin is unable to = affect his genetic makeup as well.  ( or something like that ... = aside from the fact that he created it, of course ... )

Pete = J


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